Bunny Hopping

[Burty]

for the purpose of clarification... bunnyhopping is still forbidden and i nor anyone else have allowed bunny hopping on the london gg server. admins are still expected to police it and set a good example. it gives players an unfair speed advantage over other players. air straffing is however allowed.

[Bear]

Can you describe the differences?

We had a discussion a few nights back between Dan, Kal and I when Kal was air strafing...... looks a lot like bunny hopping sometimes!! ;)

[Rufus]

Bunny hopping is two three or more continuous jumps in a row (it's easy to tell because there is no pause or walking inbetween jumps) although you have to make sure that players are not just jumping without pausing inbetween, also the "hopper" will have more air speed than normal.

Some of us can hop, some of us can air straife, some do both. The problem is with the players who use the hop to gain an advantage with the speed you get, this is what we are trying to stop because as I stated in my post about it before, if you can hop to the spawn of the opposing side before they are even out of it, hardly fair.

I myself can do it, as do others, but we need to keep the field of play as even, fair and fun for everyone as possible, and whilst hopping isn't against any specific SP rules, we are fully within our rights to stop or prevent players from excessively doing it as it spoils the game for others and lets be honest, if they want to, they can find specific servers to cater for them.

Also, as admins and UEA members we should be setting an example and not bending things to suit our own style of play.

[Bear]

Hmmmmmm........

Are we having a weekly get together tomorrow night??

Was wondering if we could have a quick masterclass between the two on our own server maybe?? Just to show how it looks on screen?

[Burty]

Yeh we'll go for a Wednesday fun session tomorrow night and talk about it more then... and perhaps demo the difference between b'hop and air straffing - I'm sure Chika or Kal could help me with that!

People have accused me of bunny hopping before, but I really don't. The only thing I do is use my forward key, strafe left and strafe right and work the mouse to twist and turn. I don't use binds or scripts or anything to help me move in the air. It's purely skill and practise.

My keyboard set up is like this...



7 - strafe left
8 - forward
9 - strafe right
Left Mouse - primary fire
Right Mouse - secondary fire / knife etc
Mouse wheel - weapon switch
Mouse button 3 - reload
Mouse button 4 - drop gun

This is as simple as it gets. No binds on the mouse wheel or anything like that. It's just forwards, straffing and moving with the mouse. Some people have seen my vanishing trick - if someone comes to knife me or hits me with the first right click, I instantly jump, twist the mouse and strafe to get vertical and sideways movement and get away from the 2nd knife - "where's he gone" they say. Well half of them do... half the time I get caught, but I still manage to avoid quite a few 2nd knifes.. ;)

I think moves like that are legit. What amazes me is that somone who b'hops or uses scripts is able to get up to full or excessive speeds within a split second from a stand still. That means that as I'm walking out of spawn, someone is already nailing me in the head because they've got more than half away across the map. In simple terms that is a speed hack.

The other thing i've noticed is that when the low grav aerial battles commence I can excel some days but when b'hoppers are on, I struggle to come out on top. Against any regular I can normally out match most players for air straffing, and vertical drops followed by a knife in the back are my speciality. But try chasing a b'hopper through the air and you'll get left behind. You won't be able to keep up. Simple.

Tail tail signs of a b'hopper are multiple jumps (used to build speed by avoiding contact with the ground) and expect the player to move through the air at a much faster speed than everyone else.

So as Rufus said, we want to keep GG a fun and FAIR place to be. I expect our admins to set an example. I've spoken with several of you about it before. Please get on board. Moreover, I expect our admins to enforce this ruling as it's a decision we've made based on the fact GG is a sponsored server. It's a local rule that helps to keep the server fun. Normal process applies, warnings, slaps, slay, kick, minor ban (i suggest a couple of hours, nothing more).

[babiblu989]

There have been loads of arguments between most of you about this topic

But Burty, when Kal points out that he thinks you're bunny hopping, its not when you're strafing through the air twisting and turning. It's mainly when we're on cs_base and you hop around the 4 roofs, taking off as soon as you land on the next roof. That IS bunny hopping, what you do while in the air is not.

Strafing is done in the air, bunny hopping is basically jumping as soon as your toes hit the ground again. Kal and Chika used to Bhop like crazy all over the map but I haven't seen either of them at it in ages.

[Bear]

See.... that's where we need some proper clarification!!

It's not a cut and dried issue really

[Kal_Torak]

As I see it, Bunny hopping is the stage between landing and taking off.

Bunny hop - No pause on the ground, or very short pause. This means the inbuilt system to slow players as they land does not come into effect

Air strafe - Movement in the air (clearly) involving mouse movement and keys to allow the player to 'snake' through the air and direct their jumps.

Basically the airstrafe accelerates you due to the games inbuilt physics system. And the bunny hop minimizes loss of speed due to contact with the ground. It is possible on a normal 800 gravity server, but I can only get 2-3 jumps in a row, chika, and scripters (no chika doesnt script) can do much more. Clearly having 250 gravity makes it much easier as you have more time to plan ahead. Hope that sums it up well.

Bunny hopping is all about timing, or if your a dick, a script.

[Rufus]

Bunny hopping is all about timing, or if your a dick, a script.

And there's another reason why we should try and keep hopping in check. If we allow players to hop willy nilly, then it leaves us open for people who do script to come and take advantage. And if we are seen to do it it will eventually lead to the "he does it why can't I" arguements.

It's not about spoiling anyones game or pointing fingers but we have a duty to players of all abilities to keep things on an even keel and in perspective.

[Burty]

OK FURTHER CLARIFICATION - BUNNY HOPPING IS ALLOWED ON THE UEA LONDON GG SERVER.

ANY HINTS OF A SCRIPT AND YOU'LL BE DEMO'D AND DEALT WITH ACCORDINGLY.

ISSUE CLOSED.